From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 13:26:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 21 Apr 2001 20:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 58648 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2001 20:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Apr 2001 20:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Apr 2001 20:25:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:25:58 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.53 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:25:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.53] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Three more issues Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:25:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 20:25:58.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[466F2B50:01C0CAA1] From: "Jorge Llambias" la aulun cusku di'e > {le so'o valsi cu valsi}. >Am I wrong stating that this distinction (le/lei) doesn't really work? >{le so'o valsi} means: *all* of the several discribed as words, not *each*, >so it's plural too. {ro} means "each". "All" in logic also always means "each". In ordinary language, "all" is sometimes used for the collective meaning, but in Lojban {ro} always means "each". >(ro le su'o -> ro le so'o). Hence: {le >so'o valsi cu ca'a valsi so'omei gi'enai - pa - valsi} {le so'o valsi} is "each of several words", and a word is normally not a valsi so'omei. {gi'enai pa valsi} is not grammatical. You need a selbri after gi'enai and {pa valsi} is a sumti. Maybe {me pa valsi}, but {valsi} alone is better. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.