From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Apr 21 18:14:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 22 Apr 2001 01:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 37455 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2001 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:14:48 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:14:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.29] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] sumti raising Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:14:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 01:14:48.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA28780:01C0CAC9] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >Why is it that "tcica", "bapli" (among many others, probably) have an >event in the x1 place? Doesn't deception/coercion logically require a >deceiver/coercer, or is there some other meaning of these words that >doesn't require an actor? i le nu smaji cu tcica mi le nu jinvi le zdani cu kunti i no da gasnu co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.