From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Apr 22 19:00:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 23 Apr 2001 02:00:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 51610 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 02:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2001 02:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 02:00:19 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (25.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.25]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3N20HT51299 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010422220339.00b66f00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:03:50 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Three more issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group At 10:50 PM 04/21/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > I think that there is a difference between "nu prenu kei" cu valsi", and > > "la bitlz cu prenu". The latter would expand to 4 names linked by some > form > > of connective "and" (.e or joi or ce probably). The 3 quoted words are a > > unit which one cannot assume can be broken down, since order is > significant. > >Does {la bitlz} mean (a) "each of those x such that I am calling x 'bitlz'", >or (b) "each member of the group that I am calling 'bitlz'", or (c) "the thing >I am calling 'bitlz'"? (a) wouldn't work, because I'm not calling Ringo >'bitlz'. (c) wouldn't work, because I'm calling the group 'bitlz', and >the group is not a minimal unit of person. (b) would work, but then >"la bitlz cu girzu" would, undesirably, be false. la bitlz goi la djan joi la paul joi la djordj joi la ringos cu prenu gi'e girzu lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org