From rob@twcny.rr.com Mon Apr 23 16:57:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 23 Apr 2001 23:57:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 83655 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 23:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Apr 2001 23:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.166) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 23:57:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f3NNtd225570 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.122]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:55:38 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14rqAo-0000N5-00 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:55:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:55:18 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] More interface words Message-ID: <20010423195518.A1418@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <20010423143449.B514@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: ; from xod@sixgirls.org on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:08:18PM -0400 X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:08:18PM -0400, Value Yourself wrote: > I wonder if this is a useful concept to import. I think the gnome people > abused it. I think a Java applet is an application-LET because it's > launched by visiting a certain webpage, not by intentionally issuing a > launch command, and it gets flushed when you leave that page, not when you > issue a quit command as with normal apps, and with gnome "applets". Also, > they do tend to be small. > > So I think of a gnome applet as more of a dockable app than a Java applet. > But every app is dockable, no? Netscape is in my dock. It's also a monster > of bloat; there's nothing "-let" about it! And it doesn't run in any > sandbox of gnome either. You seem confused about what a GNOME applet is. You usually don't issue a launch command to run an applet, except the first time, when you choose it from the Applets menu. From then on, the fact that that applet is running becomes part of the state of the Panel, so the panel it's on will always remember to start that applet again. I really doubt you're running Netscape as an applet. You might have a _launcher_ for it. If Netscape were embedded in the panel it would be entirely unusable (you'd see, at best, the menu bar, the button bar, and perhaps a few pixels of the page). And applets are, in fact, run in a sandbox of GNOME. If an applet crashes, it restarts it. GNOME automatically puts things on an applet's right-click menu (so if the applet stops working you can still get to the menu option to remove it, for example). And applets can't be run if there is no panel for them to run inside. -- Rob Speer