From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Apr 23 17:07:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 00:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 43944 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.225) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:07:46 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.1 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:07:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.1] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] conditionals in Lojban Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:07:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 00:07:46.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[977ED470:01C0CC52] From: "Jorge Llambias" la lojbab cusku di'e >With no information about the medium of expression, all I can say is >ko'a cusku lu'e leka gleki Right, koha says a symbol for happiness, which is not the same as expressing/showing/displaying happiness. If I understood pc's point correctly, we could have: le nu cusku lu mi gleki li'u tadji le nu xusra le du'u gleki Saying "mi gleki" is a way of asserting that one is happy. le nu cusku zo ui tadji le nu jarco le ka gleki Saying "ui" is a way of expressing one's happiness. {cusku} is not the same as expressing. But since the gi'uste does give "expresses" as one of the glosses, it is actually used sometimes in that sense, ignoring the place structure and putting a property in x2, which is what "expresses" would require. > >Yes, if you redefine "emotion" as "anything expressed by Lojban > >attitudinals", then every attitudinal expresses an emotion. > >Emotion: >"strong feeling; exctiement" >"The state or capability of having the feelings aroused to the point of >awareness" >"Any specific feeling" Like the feeling of suggestion? The feeling of permission? I don't see the point of forcing the meaning of words to fit some theory. Not all attitudinals express what is commonly understood as "emotion", and there's nothing wrong with that. Not all attitudes are emotional. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.