From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Mon Apr 23 18:22:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 01:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 76748 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.252.12.49]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010424012207.MRKV283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:22:07 +0100 To: Subject: Beatles (was: RE: [lojban] Three more issues) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:20:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010422220339.00b66f00@127.0.0.1> From: "And Rosta" Lojbab: > At 10:50 PM 04/21/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > I think that there is a difference between "nu prenu kei" cu valsi", and > > > "la bitlz cu prenu". The latter would expand to 4 names linked by some > > form > > > of connective "and" (.e or joi or ce probably). The 3 quoted words are a > > > unit which one cannot assume can be broken down, since order is > > significant. > > > >Does {la bitlz} mean (a) "each of those x such that I am calling x 'bitlz'", > >or (b) "each member of the group that I am calling 'bitlz'", or (c) > "the thing > >I am calling 'bitlz'"? (a) wouldn't work, because I'm not calling Ringo > >'bitlz'. (c) wouldn't work, because I'm calling the group 'bitlz', and > >the group is not a minimal unit of person. (b) would work, but then > >"la bitlz cu girzu" would, undesirably, be false. > > la bitlz goi la djan joi la paul joi la djordj joi la ringos cu prenu gi'e > girzu ro prenu girzu na ku prenu .i loi se du'u ro prenu cu prenu pa mei kei pu se cusku la lojbab .i ro prenu su'o re mei na ku prenu pa mei --And.