From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 24 14:16:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 21:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 49311 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.120) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 21:16:29 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0 [24.92.226.74]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f3OLEKA07948 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.122]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:53:21 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14s9L1-000076-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:23:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:22:39 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Usage of logical connectives? Message-ID: <20010424162239.A431@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <20010423221740.D28300@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: ; from xod@sixgirls.org on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:42:16AM -0400 X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:42:16AM -0400, Value Yourself wrote: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:58:59AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > >Take the phrase, said by a parent to a child: > > > > > > > >"You can go to the park if you clean your room". > > > > > > > >Would .inaja or .ijanai be the correct way to handle this in lojban? > > > > > > I would use .ijo, because .ijanai allows for the possibility that you don't > > > clean your room and can still go to the park. > > > > OK, let me rephrase: > > > > Are logical connective the way that a lojbanic parent would express that > > restriction? > > > > I'm asking because it seems like the logical connectives don't add > > information. If I say > > > > mi broda .ije do brode > > > > then you know that I believe that both of those things are true, but you > > can just as easily tell me I'm wrong. > > > > More to the point, it has nothing to do with proscription, or with > > actions at all, the way the English example above does. > > > > I just want to make sure that if I translate that sort of English > > sentence with a logical connective, I'm not commiting malglico. > > > What you really want to say is va'o le mu'e do nicygau le do kumfa kei do > ka'e klama le panka. Since the truth value of a command is whether that command is carried out, what would be wrong with: ko nicygau ledo kumfa .ijo do kakne lenu klama le panka -- Rob Speer