From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Apr 24 18:11:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 25 Apr 2001 01:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 20924 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.169) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:11:34 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.40 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.40] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Three more issues Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2001 01:11:34.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB926A30:01C0CD24] From: "Jorge Llambias" la camgusmis cusku di'e > > I don't understand how one and the same thing can have a property > > and lack that property at the same time, unless I go into zen mode. > >No _thing_ can, but a _group_ of things can. A group is also a thing. >The group of 'all human beings' has red hair. It also has brown hair. >It also has black hair. And does it also lack any red hair, and lack any brown hair, and lack any black hair? Is the group of all human beings dead and buried? Certainly not in English, and I don't see the point of making something like that work in Lojban. It doesn't work if you take it seriously, it only works if you don't think much about it. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.