From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Apr 24 19:40:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 25 Apr 2001 02:40:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 69307 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 02:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2001 02:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 02:40:26 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (72.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.72]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3P2eOt67438 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010424223645.00c16d40@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:43:36 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla (was: Re: NickFest 2 In-Reply-To: <01042421110308.24139@neofelis> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:59 PM 04/24/2001 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >I agree that the fu'ivla for Korea should be based on Chosen, but I don't like >mass creation of type 3 fu'ivla. I feel it's the gismu, lujvo, and type4 >fu'ivla that give the language character. Since we have no (officially at least) recognized type 4 fu'ivla, I don't think that they can be said to give the language much character. There is the special type 4 pattern proposed for "rafsi fu'ivla" and these would probably be used where it makes sense. But the priority is to have words for each major culture, *somehow*. > Not that type 3 should be entirely >eschewed - sometimes there's no way to make a word fit type 4 - but >aesthetically I find them ugly. They are expected to be. We want people to use lujvo if possible. But we need words for these and lujvo are not likely to be preferred approaches. We also need some examples of fu'ivla and culture words are the obvious source. But we aren't going to take a lot of time to make good type 4s for every one. It is not that high a priority at this stage. >A couple of possibilities for Breton have been bouncing around my head: >brezone >and bre'one. Which is better? Probably best to ask a Breton, as there are >AFAIU >differences in how "zh" is pronounced. On Lojbanic grounds, I lean toward the >latter, as it has a rafsi under the rafsi fu'ivla proposal. > >A good place to find names of languages is the Ethnologue, which is at >http://www.sil.org/. That will likely be one source for languages and frequencies. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org