From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 24 21:29:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 25 Apr 2001 04:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2501 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 04:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2001 04:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 04:29:27 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14sGvf-0004bb-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:29:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:29:27 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Three more issues Message-ID: <20010424212927.V8953@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: ; from jjllambias@hotmail.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:11:34AM +0000 From: Robin Lee Powell On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:11:34AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la camgusmis cusku di'e > > > > I don't understand how one and the same thing can have a property > > > and lack that property at the same time, unless I go into zen mode. > > > >No _thing_ can, but a _group_ of things can. > > A group is also a thing. > > >The group of 'all human beings' has red hair. It also has brown hair. > >It also has black hair. > > And does it also lack any red hair, and lack any brown hair, and lack any > black hair? No, of course not, and anyone who uses a mass construction to say that because some of its members lack a property, the _mass_ lacks that property, is missing the point of masses IMO. > Is the group of all human beings dead and buried? Doesn't seem to be. 8) -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/