From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Apr 25 23:13:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 06:13:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22478 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 06:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2001 06:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 06:13:26 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp20.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.20]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3Q6DPu52116 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426021004.00c31d90@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:16:09 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] djataurte In-Reply-To: <01042523234609.02780@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 11:19 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >I found "djataurte" in translations/alice/NEW_WORDS meaning "tart". This is a >fu'ivla, but it's a type 4, If it has a rafsi in the front, it is clearly intended to be a type 3. This is precisely the sort of word that MUST be a type 3 and not a type 4. After all, "tart" has three completely distinct meanings in English (a food, a flavor property, and a slang description of a woman with loose morals) and who knows how many its Lojban counterpart might have in all the world's languages. How can we say at this stage of usage which of the multiple meanings should apply to the type 4 wordform - only 1 is allowed. >so why does it begin with "dja"? Type 3 fu'ivla >shouldn't be made from CCV or CVV rafsi anyway. There is nothing illegal about using them - it just can't be assumed that the fu'ivla will be well-formed when one works with those rafsi. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org