From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 26 09:59:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 16:59:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 95353 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2001 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14sp6k-0003xu-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:59:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:59:10 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] djataurte Message-ID: <20010426095910.U8953@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <01042523234609.02780@neofelis> <4.3.2.7.2.20010426021004.00c31d90@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426021004.00c31d90@127.0.0.1>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:16:09AM -0400 From: Robin Lee Powell On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:16:09AM -0400, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 11:19 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >I found "djataurte" in translations/alice/NEW_WORDS meaning "tart". This is a > >fu'ivla, but it's a type 4, > > If it has a rafsi in the front, it is clearly intended to be a type 3. > > This is precisely the sort of word that MUST be a type 3 and not a type > 4. After all, "tart" has three completely distinct meanings in English (a > food, a flavor property, and a slang description of a woman with loose > morals) and who knows how many its Lojban counterpart might have in all the > world's languages. How can we say at this stage of usage which of the > multiple meanings should apply to the type 4 wordform - only 1 is allowed. > > >so why does it begin with "dja"? Type 3 fu'ivla > >shouldn't be made from CCV or CVV rafsi anyway. > > There is nothing illegal about using them - it just can't be assumed that > the fu'ivla will be well-formed when one works with those rafsi. As someone who knows very little about fu'ivla formation: Is djataurte legal as it stands or not? If not, what do we do with it? It's supposed to refer to the food, btw. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/