From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Apr 26 12:22:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 19:22:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 72439 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 19:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2001 19:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 19:22:33 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (19.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.19]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3QJMRb60040 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426151339.00a81870@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:17 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] pa'aku ?? In-Reply-To: <20010426110829.Y8953@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 11:08 AM 04/26/2001 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >Just noticed this: > > pa'a BAI in addition to > panra modal, 1st place (parallel; shared property) > similarly; in addition to ... > > > pa'aku BAI* each respectively > sumti: explicitly marks respective use as in "THEY > read THEIR (respective) books" > >My question is, where is this pa'aku usage mentioned in the book? I don't think it is. There are very few indications of specific usage of modals in the refgrammar - after all there are several dozen of them. This particular usage was the basis for including pa'a in the language. Several other BAI members were only included because they reflected a colloquial English usage that could be expressed modally in Lojban. *After* they were added (by several years), the link in meaning to the place structures of the source words was imposed on the BAI members which sometimes clouds the ties back to the natlang phrasings that justified them, but this one still holds pretty well to the English meaning. The long form would probably be something like "[sumtiA] pe pa'a [sumtiB] ge'u zi'e vepa'a [similarity with sumti B justifying the parallel] ge'u zi'e tepa'a [contrast with sumtiB that makes them associate differently] ge'u lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org