From nicholas@uci.edu Thu Apr 26 15:32:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 22:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27708 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 22:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Apr 2001 22:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 22:32:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04497; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: fu'ivla Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'i la'o ny. Arnt ny. > This whole business with "wholesale borrowing" worries me. It may be OK in > cases such as Linnean names, element names, country names and language > names, which are "namelike", and can be based on the place structures of > danlu, ratni, gugde and bangu. But how about the other "common > international science words"? Words such as "hypothesis", "visualization", > "correlation coefficient" and "synchrotron" may be similar across > languages, but that doesn't necessarily mean that borrowing them into > Lojban would be a Good Thing. How should the place structure of such words > be derived, if not individually? Arnt is quite correct, and I think that has been reflected in practice; unless I've missed something between '94 and '01 (which is not impossible), there hasn't been any movement to introduce loanwords for those *precisely* because their predicate nature is much more important. Where this leaves us with computer terminology, I'm not sure (though this is an issue that explicitly came up as we were planning the dictionary at Lojban Central.) But Lojbanists are disinclined to use fu'ivla for anything other than concrete realia, for good reason. -- Momenton senpretende paseman mi retenis kaj # NICK NICHOLAS. kultis kvazaux # TLG, UCI, USA. senhorlogxan elizeon # www.opoudjis.net (Dume: # nicholas@uci.edu [Victor Sadler, _Memkritiko_ 90] #