From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:58:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 29899 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.166) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:58:01 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.52] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Usage of logical connectives? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 23:58:01.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9D7D380:01C0CEAC] From: "Jorge Llambias" la robyspir cusku di'e >And once again, the entire sentence is _not_ a command. Only {ko nicygau >ledo >kumfa} is, and the child can fulfill that. We disagree about that. The sentence should be exactly equivalent to: go ko nicygau le do kumfa gi mi curmi le nu do klama le panka {ko} has to apply to the entire claim, not just a fragment. A translation with {do} instead of {ko} makes a little more sense, even if it is still missing the direction of causality. In any case, {mi curmi le nu do klama le panka kei le nu do nicygau le do kumfa} is the clearest translation. >I see quite well that under your system, {a} and {o} >become worthless, {e} becomes nothing but a shortcut, and all that's left >is >{u} which nobody uses. Actually, I use {iju} relatively often. It serves to indicate that something is irrelevant. An attitudinal with that meaning would probably be better though, as it could be used independently of any other claim. I use {a} sometimes, although it is the easiest to misuse, so I always think twice before using it. It is often incorrect to use it for English "or". co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.