From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Apr 27 16:55:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 27 Apr 2001 23:55:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 44983 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.146) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:55:51 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.45 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.45] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Usage of logical connectives? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 23:55:51.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[96F81D60:01C0CF75] From: "Jorge Llambias" la robyspir cusku di'e >If {ko} doesn't stop applying at {.i} (my sentence used .ijo), then where >the >heck does the {ko} finally lose its effect? That would mean that, having >said >{ko} any time in a discourse, it would no longer be possible to state >facts! No, that's not it. {broda i brode} has two truth values. If {ko} were to appear in one of those sentences then the command would require to make that sentence true, it only refers to that one truth value. But {broda ijo brode}, or any other logical connective, has only one truth value. A {ko} appearing in one of the bridi requires that the whole thing be true, not just that one bridi. So {ko} stops wherever the logical connection stops. > > I use {a} sometimes, although it is the easiest > > to misuse, so I always think twice before using it. It is often > > incorrect to use it for English "or". > >Right, because English "or" is {onai}. I was thinking of other "or"s: ji'i, ji, jikau, e, and who knows what else. I wouldn't say {onai} is more frequent than {a} as a meaning for "or". >However, under your system, can you >really use {onai}? I can, but I don't think I ever use it, no. >Wouldn't you have to explicitly state what cause there is >that you can't choose both, or neither? A choice would require {ji} or {jikau}. What type of choice do you have in mind that would use {onai}? i do zmanei lo'e tcati ji lo'e ckafi Do you prefer tea or coffee? >The same applies to {a} without the >"both" part. You used this reasoning for {.ijanai}, remember. Of course. Think twice before using {a} or {o}, and then try not to, that's what I do. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.