From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Apr 30 14:12:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 21:12:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 88094 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 21:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 21:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 21:12:49 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-145.dial-up.cais.com [209.8.89.145] (may be forged)) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3ULClh80776 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010430165400.00c3cc90@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:15:46 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: lujvo place structures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group Based on something Richard Curnow just sent me, I wanted to identify a possibly useful piece of software that someone could write to aid in lujvo-place structure determination. Such a program would take the tanru for any lujvo and generate the place structure that lujvo would have if no places were combined or deleted, using the standard codes and conventions for labelling the places. Each place would be tagged with the oblique.key keyword (or Curnow's equivalent keyword) defining the meaning of that place relative to its source gismu. Given such an output, it seems that lujvo place structures could then be created by a simple editing task, deleting unnecessary places and combining others, with people not needing to look anything up, because all the necessary information is already there on the line. It also makes it more likely that the place structures will end up in a consistent format even when multiple people are working on them, a major concern when we talk about setting up a web site where anyone can edit a place structure. I would rather have such a web site start with such a definition in consistent format which can be edited down, rather than start with nothing and having people have to enter a place structure from scratch in their best guess of the proper format. The format should probably be that of the existing entries in noralujv.txt, or something very similar. Volunteers welcome, and should work with Jay K, assuming that he is setting up the lujvo-making web pages. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org