From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed May 02 05:48:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 12:48:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 19632 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 12:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:47:39 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 2 May 2001 13:29:13 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:49:15 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:48:54 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] le medomoi e le memimoi e le memi'omoi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta Xorx: #We already have {se ponse} for ownership. "Possesives" have a #much wider use, I just meant a correspondence. # #Let's put it the other way: what does {me mi moi}, which is #grammatical, mean? Doesn't it have to mean "x1 is mine" or #something very similar to that? It means something both more and less general than "x1 is mine". Clearly it does not mean "x1 belongs to me". But it means more than "x1 corresponds to me", because "mi noi" requires that x1 belong to an ordered set with some unambiguous mapping from this set to another. Noneless, most usages of predicative "mine" that I can think of off the top of my head would translate either by "se ponse me" or by "mi moi". --And.