From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri May 04 15:52:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 22:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 79058 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 22:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 May 2001 22:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.129) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 22:52:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 May 2001 15:52:29 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.49 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2001 22:52:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.49] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: kau, ce'u, ba'e (was: Re: [lojban] le medomoi e le memimoi e le memi'omoi Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 22:52:28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2001 22:52:29.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[E56A4050:01C0D4EC] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and di'e cusku >Second, I don't see any basis for the du'u:kau :: ka:ce'u analogy. >I see nothing in common between kau and ce'u, and probably >du'u is just a ce'u-less ka, or ka is a du'u in which ce'u may be left >implicit. Indeed, kau and ce'u are different things. They can even appear together sometimes: la mapypre le sipsmacu cu zmadu le ka ce'u xokauroi tavla The Hatter is more than the Dormouse in how many times they talk. la alis cu jarco le ka ce'u jgari makau le xance Alice shows what it is that she holds in her hand. le ka ce'u xusra makau na roroi mintu le ka ce'u pensi makau What one says is not always the same as what one thinks. >-- That is, does "ba'e zo'o" mean "I'm JOKING", >or does it mean "I jokingly emphasize the following"? The parsing rules would seem to suggest that {ba'e} acts first, so it would be emphatic humour rather than humourous emphasis. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.