From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon May 07 23:21:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 8 May 2001 06:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8374 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 23:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 May 2001 23:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.128) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 May 2001 21:32:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:26:01 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.56 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 23:26:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.56] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Change Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:26:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 23:26:01.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[140CF120:01C0D74D] From: "Jorge Llambias" la camgusmis cusku di'e >You don't want that at all, IMO. You want galfi, with poi. > >ku'i ci purdykurji cu cintygalfi ry poi ka blabi ku'o ry poi ka xunre That means that they change R into itself. {ry} stands for the object itself, the rose, not for the concept of a rose. If the original rose is seen to be transformed into a new object, then {galfi lo xunre rozgu lo blabi rozgu} is fine. I think that's too drastic, as the rose remains the same rose, only one of its properties is changed: {py cnegau le rozgu le ka makau [se] skari ce'u} co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.