From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue May 08 14:39:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 8 May 2001 21:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 65486 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 May 2001 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.224) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 May 2001 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:56:57 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.56 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 22:56:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.56] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] mi cnino cmima Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:56:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 22:56:57.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[0447E960:01C0D749] From: "Jorge Llambias" la greg cusku di'e >Coi le tavla be fo la lojban. .i la greg. cmene mi .i xabju la suis. .i >nanla paze. > >And that's about as far as I'll go in lojban this time (was most of it >right?). i piso'a di'u cu drani i ku'i _zo_ greg cmene do i nanla _li_ paze >le dinju co se zbasu la djak. That's two separate sumti, {le dinju co se zbasu} and {la djak}. >le dinju co se zbasu be la djak. That one works. >le zbasu be la djak dinju le se zbasu be la djak dinju >le dinju poi la djak. zbasu (is there confusion that the house may have >built jack here?) No, not that confusion, Jack is in the x1 of zbasu. Maybe that the house was the material out of which Jack built something else. >le dinju poi la djak. ke'a zbasu Right. >at least two of these must mean "The house that jack built" (as a title >for the story). Of those that are right, which is the most appropriate? I'd go with {le dinju poi la djak zbasu}, but the others also work. >ti zbasu be la djak. dinju ti se zbasu be la djak dinju >le ti dinju poi la jack. zbasu Not exactly what you want. It is just a sumti, and {ti} may refer to something other than the building, for example a person near you. It would mean something like "her house built by Jack". >ti dinju co se zbasu be la djak. Yes, that seems to be the best one. It really means "this is _a_ house built by Jack", but that may be enough for your purposes. >Again I'm confused ; what I'm trying to say is: "this is the house that >jack built." You can also say: {ti me le dinju poi la djak zbasu} or {ti du le dinju poi la djak zbasu}. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.