From nicholas@uci.edu Tue May 08 15:24:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 8 May 2001 22:24:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31244 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 May 2001 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 May 2001 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03684; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Future lessons material Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS Lojbanists, now that I've started in earnest adding material to the lessons, I thought I might throw to you the issue of what topics to cover. I discussed this with Lojban Central when I was in Fairfax a couple of weeks back, and we agreed that this should only serve as an introduction, and therefore not get too bogged down in technical detail. Robin was of the same mind, and explicitly wanted to avoid anything that wasn't common parlance. For that reason he avoided aspect, for example. I am less of a paedagogue than Robin, I'm afraid, so I've been letting details sneak in to the text as I'm producing it. And I do think aspects --- at least co'a and ba'o --- are frequent enough in Lojban to warrant inclusion. So I'm posting the list of what I think should be covered in these lessons, for comment: Material introduced into existing lessons lerfu: 1 observatives: 2 pe, po, po'e: 3 sedu'u: 7 na'e: 7 lerfu as anaphors: 7 su'u: 7 be, bei: 9 poi, noi: 9 ne, no, no'e: 9 Material to be covered in lessons 11-12-(13? 14? 15?) gi'e: 11 (not yet written) zi'e: 11 ka'e po'u, no'u advanced UI (textual) zoi, la'o, zo joi, ce, ce'o lo'i, le'i (How to say... chapter) aspect: ZAhO ni, ka (ka has already snuck in to exercises) ni'o ba'e si, sa to tu'a, jai fu'ivla (ke? real lujvo?) (forethought connection: probably not --- too infrequently used.) *** Robin felt --- and I agree --- that the final lesson should be a general "How do I say X chapter", dealing with basic linguistic functions not covered elsewhere. Since these would raise issues with potentially complex grammar (tu'a, kau, ce'u), there is a case for treating these as mere set phrases, and referring to the reference grammar for the details. -- Momenton senpretende paseman mi retenis kaj # NICK NICHOLAS. kultis kvazaux # TLG, UCI, USA. senhorlogxan elizeon # www.opoudjis.net (Dume: # nicholas@uci.edu [Victor Sadler, _Memkritiko_ 90] #