From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Wed May 16 15:44:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 May 2001 22:44:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18683 invoked from network); 16 May 2001 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 May 2001 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO s1.uklinux.net) (212.1.130.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 May 2001 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from rrbcurnow.freeuk.com (root@ppp-1-70.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.152.70]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4GMiZG09874 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 23:44:35 +0100 Envelope-To: Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 150A0v-000066-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 May 2001 23:43:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:43:28 +0100 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Parsing Message-ID: <20010516234328.B110@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <9dt6e9+m02b@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i-nntp In-Reply-To: <9dt6e9+m02b@eGroups.com>; from Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 06:24:09AM -0000 From: Richard Curnow On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 06:24:09AM -0000, A.W.T. wrote: > > I'm having problems to agree with this: > > 1) mi tavla do bau la lojban. (grammatical) > 2) mi bau la lojban. [cu] tavla do (as well) or > 3) mi do bau la lojban. [cu] tavla > > hence: leaving out the first place {mi} gets me a bridi-tail, e.g. {... tavla do bau la lojban.} or {bau la lojban. tavla do} etc. {bau la lojban tavla do} is not a bridi tail. The grouping of 2) is like this ((mi) (bau la lojban)) (tavla do) term term selbri tail-term terms bridi-tail so (bau la lojban) is part of the 'terms', before the bridi-tail has even begun. For 1), 2) and 3), the bridi-tail is respectively 1) tavla do bau la lojban. 2) tavla do 3) tavla > Is there a rule explicitely stating in the Book that only bridi-tails *starting with a selbri* are allowed after {gi'e}? > Pretty much. You might get "ke", "bo", "ge" or simple-tense-modal+"gi"/"ke"/"bo" between gi'e and the selbri. -- Richard P. Curnow, Weston-super-Mare, UK http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com/ email:richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com email:rpc@myself.com