From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 18 10:38:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 May 2001 17:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 60389 invoked from network); 18 May 2001 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 May 2001 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 May 2001 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 150oCQ-00021z-00 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:38:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:38:02 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thought you all would like this... Message-ID: <20010518103802.J6955@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i From: Robin Lee Powell --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A couple of messages from another list I'm on (it's relationship oriented). -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/ --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:20:19 -0700 Received: from [209.157.144.19] (helo=poly.polyamory.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 150nvG-0001xU-00 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:20:19 -0700 Received: from poly.polyamory.org (IDENT:mailman@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poly.polyamory.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4IHIBd15304; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:18:11 -0700 Received: from u2.netgate.net (otter@u2.netgate.net [204.145.147.8]) by poly.polyamory.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4IHHVd15286 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:17:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (otter@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.8-KB.072299) with ESMTP id KAA21434; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris O'Hare" X-Sender: otter@u2.netgate.net Reply-To: otter@staygood.net To: The Ogre cc: sfbay-poly@polyamory.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for New List Rules In-Reply-To: <20010518064700-r01010600-967f47b2@10.1.1.10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfbay-poly-admin@polyamory.org Errors-To: sfbay-poly-admin@polyamory.org X-BeenThere: sfbay-poly@polyamory.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: SF Bay Area poly discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 18 May 2001, The Ogre wrote: > On 5/17/01 at 11:43 PM, jean@effable.com (Jean Higham-Sergeant) wrote: > > > It's dangerous using language for communication. > > What else would you use on a mail list? > > > English can be > > ambiguous. > > > Have I told you how much English sucks? > Perhaps it's time for the official language of sfpoly to change.. Mayan and Egyptian are difficult to use on a mailing list. Chinese and Japanese have too much cultural context to be a good replacement. Italian is too dependant on hand gestures. German has all of those umlauts and accent marks, which I can't find on my keyboard. Switching to designed languages.. Klingon and Tolkein Elvish aren't fleshed out enough to be seriously considered. I like Galatic 6 for it's on-the-fly word modulation. But again, it's not fleshed out. Adon is easily learned, less ambiguous.. has the sound of romance languages, with the sentence structure of English to help with automated translation. It also has a more-precise mode fo logical discussion, while still sounding nice. Esperanto has a wider user-base, which is important. But I prefer Adon. Lojban looks weird, and I don't care for it's strict sentence structure.. But I intend to look into it more at some point for it's many other good points. Lojban is designed to be able to be precise and unambiguous, which would certainly recommend it to this list. In addition, I think there's at least one expert on this list who would be able to help us. The language of film is universal. Mathmatics is clear, and designed to make assumptions apparent (a good thing for this list). It also is difficult to discuss human topics with math (which may or may not be a good thing for this list). It has the added benefit of being gender-neutral and there is already a lot of work done in the areas of set theory, relationships, knots (for the kink crowd). Of computer languages, HTML tags can already be seen occasionally on this list, to clarify the context of a passage or phrase. I dislike Python for it's dependance on indentation, which I consider to be mixing meaning and format. Perl is better at being flexible, but it can be hard-to-read when using advanced concepts. It does have better data structures than English, making it easier to analyze relationships (without getting caught up by data types as C or Java would) So I think that the official language of sfpoly should switch to Lojban, with a transistion period of using HTML markups and equations where possible to eliminate confusion. The Lojban home page is at www.lojban.org -- Otter _______________________________________________ SFBay-Poly maillist - SFBay-Poly@polyamory.org To change subscription options or unsubscribe: http://poly.polyamory.org/mailman/listinfo/sfbay-poly --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:32:07 -0700 Received: from [209.157.144.19] (helo=poly.polyamory.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 150o6h-00021C-00 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:32:07 -0700 Received: from poly.polyamory.org (IDENT:mailman@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poly.polyamory.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4IHUAd15594; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:30:10 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (mail@adsl-64-169-75-101.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.169.75.101]) by poly.polyamory.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4IHTsd15580 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:29:55 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 150o4W-00020V-00 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:29:52 -0700 To: sfbay-poly@polyamory.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for New List Rules Message-ID: <20010518102952.I6955@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: sfbay-poly@polyamory.org References: <20010518064700-r01010600-967f47b2@10.1.1.10> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: ; from otter@staygood.net on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:17:27AM -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell Sender: sfbay-poly-admin@polyamory.org Errors-To: sfbay-poly-admin@polyamory.org X-BeenThere: sfbay-poly@polyamory.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: SF Bay Area poly discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:29:52 -0700 On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:17:27AM -0700, Chris O'Hare wrote: > So I think that the official language of sfpoly should switch to > Lojban, with a transistion period of using HTML markups and equations > where possible to eliminate confusion. > > The Lojban home page is at > www.lojban.org I swear to every diety I've ever worshipped that I didn't put him up to this. .o'anai zo'onai mi nupre fi lo cevni poi mi pikci fe le du'u mi na cpedu di'u ko'a -Robin, the "expert" referred to[1]. 8) [1]: Dammit, I'm not even fluent yet. 8) -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/ _______________________________________________ SFBay-Poly maillist - SFBay-Poly@polyamory.org To change subscription options or unsubscribe: http://poly.polyamory.org/mailman/listinfo/sfbay-poly --huq684BweRXVnRxX--