From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun May 20 10:16:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 May 2001 17:16:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 62439 invoked from network); 20 May 2001 17:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 May 2001 17:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.133) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 May 2001 17:16:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 May 2001 10:16:23 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.54 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2001 17:16:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.54] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] udhr Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:16:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2001 17:16:23.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[98302820:01C0E150] From: "Jorge Llambias" la biorn cusku di'e >pamoi le tonselsku ton- torni "twist"?? >lo ro remna cu zifre .ei That's "at least one of all human beings should be free". You want {ro remna} or {ro lo remna}. The declaration seems to be a statement about how things are, not how they should be, so I wouldn't use {ei} there. Also, the "born" part is missing. Maybe: {ro remna cu se jinzi le ka zifre gi'e dunli fi le ka selsinma e le selflalu} >.i lo go'i cu dunli .ei vo'a le ka selsinma ku .e lo >selflalu {lo go'i} is "some human beings" and {lo selflalu} would be "some rights" co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.