From b.gohla@gmx.de Tue May 22 05:26:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: b.gohla@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 May 2001 12:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 36963 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 12:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 May 2001 12:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (194.221.183.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 May 2001 12:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 660 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2001 12:26:40 -0000 Received: from b7a5b.pppool.de (HELO linux) (213.7.122.91) by mail.gmx.net (mail01) with SMTP; 22 May 2001 12:26:40 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Reply-To: b.gohla@gmx.de Organization: private site To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] udhr Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:43:05 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01052213430502.00799@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?utf-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Gohla?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 20 May 2001 19:16, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la biorn cusku di'e > > >pamoi le tonselsku > > ton- torni "twist"?? has to be torselsku > >lo ro remna cu zifre .ei > > That's "at least one of all human beings should be free". > You want {ro remna} or {ro lo remna}. > > The declaration seems to be a statement about how things are, > not how they should be, so I wouldn't use {ei} there. Also, > the "born" part is missing. Maybe: i thought about that, but one can not deny that the declaration has a=20 normative aspect, it does not concede any choice whether this proposition i= s=20 valid. how could this be expressed? > {ro remna cu se jinzi le ka zifre gi'e dunli fi le ka selsinma > e le selflalu} > > >.i lo go'i cu dunli .ei vo'a le ka selsinma ku .e lo > >selflalu > > {lo go'i} is "some human beings" and {lo selflalu} would > be "some rights" pamoi le torselsku ro remna cu se jinzi le ka zifre .i le go'i cu dunli vo'a le ka selsinma ku= =20 .e le selflalu .i le go'i cu pensi gi'e ckaji le ka marde .i le go'i cu jik= ca seku'u le su'u tunba ce'e - --=20 - -------------------- "all you base belong to me!" pub 1024D/834F4976 2001-01-07 Bj=C3=B6rn Gohla (Wissenschaftler, Weltb=C3= =BCrger)=20 Key fingerprint =3D 9FF4 FEDA CCDF DA0E 14D5 8129 6C14 3C39 834F 4976 sub 1024g/29571FE2 2001-01-07 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7ClDNbBQ8OYNPSXYRArP0AKCJEnitZbIsHmZb5ZSg6p2LVCmXewCfbPCX 6R1Sy1vOOVFLdPwREZH3NTs=3D =3DqTts -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----