From pycyn@aol.com Wed May 23 14:42:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 May 2001 21:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 13916 invoked from network); 23 May 2001 21:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 May 2001 21:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 May 2001 21:42:12 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.104.3a8b8d8 (4522) for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 17:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <104.3a8b8d8.283d88b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:42:09 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Rosetta Project Genesis translation (was Re: Fw: Call for contri... To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.3a8b8d8.283d88b1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_104.3a8b8d8.283d88b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/23/2001 3:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rob@twcny.rr.com writes: > Okay, I see this translation referring to {loi danlu} and calling it a > "massified singular", glossing it as "Mr. Beast". I've seen this referred > to in > a few other old lojban discussions (but only once in the time I've been on > the > list). What the heck does this mean? > I haven't gotten to the details yet, but this one of those recurring discussions: What does {loi broda} mean? The short answer is "the mass of all lo broda," but that proves to be ignotum per ignotius and leads to various stories about what a mass is. One of these (Quine or Trobriand Islanders?) is that the mass is an individual, each what we would call individual broda, is merely a manifestation of that individual (I think this may owe something to Christian theology, too), Mr. Broda. Another view is that a mass is a kind of goo and each individual is a piece of that goo. Yet another is that a mass is a team of some sort. And there are several other tales, which I am trying to pull up out of the archives and put into some semblance of order for my (curiouser and curiouser as I "correct" problems) website. Reminders of these would be very welcome. --part1_104.3a8b8d8.283d88b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/23/2001 3:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
rob@twcny.rr.com writes:


Okay, I see this translation referring to {loi danlu} and calling it a
"massified singular", glossing it as "Mr. Beast". I've seen this referred
to in
a few other old lojban discussions (but only once in the time I've been on
the
list). What the heck does this mean?

I haven't gotten to the details yet, but this one of those recurring
discussions: What does {loi broda} mean?  The short answer is "the mass of
all lo broda," but that proves to be ignotum per ignotius and leads to
various stories about what a mass is.  One of these (Quine or Trobriand
Islanders?) is that the mass is an individual, each what we would call
individual broda, is merely a manifestation of that individual (I think this
may owe something to Christian theology, too), Mr. Broda.  Another view is
that a mass is a kind of goo and each individual is a piece of that goo.  Yet
another is that a mass is a team of some sort.  And there are several other
tales, which I am trying to pull up out of the archives and put into some
semblance of order for my (curiouser and curiouser as I "correct" problems)
website.
Reminders of these would be very welcome. --part1_104.3a8b8d8.283d88b1_boundary--