From nicholas@uci.edu Fri May 25 03:45:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 May 2001 10:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 63190 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 10:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 May 2001 10:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 May 2001 10:45:34 -0000 Received: from [128.195.186.42] (dialin53a-68.ppp.uci.edu [128.195.186.78]) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15683 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 03:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: nicholas@e4e.oac.uci.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:02:57 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: If From: Nick Nicholas Myself, I never did like na.gi'a for "if", but that's more because (a) it usually is gi'o anyway, and (b) "if"s to me are a lot more about syllogistic reasoning (nibli) than truth tables. The lessons (_Lojban for Beginners_, as I will indeed rename them over the weekend) are not the place to resolve this, obviously! I will just mention va'o and fau as alternatives to nagi'a, and allude very briefly to the controversy. I'd completely forgotten about this; and the whole treatment of sumti tcita may need filling in anyway (as Robin P. has pointed out to me.) Yup, it's going to be 15 lessons after all. (This helps a lot with the saga.) Well, I know what *I*'m doing this Memorial Day long weekend! :-) I'm interested in what you all made of the "Valley Girl" exercise in Lesson 12. Too specifically American? I suspect I'd have had trouble with it three years ago, when I still lived in Godzown (as we natives title Australia.) Nick Nicholas, TLG, UCI, USA. nicholas@uci.edu www.opoudjis.net "Most Byzantine historians felt they knew enough to use the optatives correctly; some of them were right." --- Harry Turtledove.