From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue May 29 19:33:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 30 May 2001 02:33:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 80418 invoked from network); 30 May 2001 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 May 2001 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.168) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 May 2001 02:33:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f4U2VtA09379 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.101]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:31:56 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 154vkz-0000Hs-00 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:30:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:30:45 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] No number base?!? Message-ID: <20010529223045.B963@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <20010529155125.J8014@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20010529155125.J8014@digitalkingdom.org>; from rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:51:25PM -0700 X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:51:25PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Why is there no sumti for number base in namcu? I'd think "na'ucmu" would suffice. > In fact, I can find no way to ask the question: > > "Why do you prefer base-16?" Furthermore, if the listener really does prefer base-16, how does he know you're not talking about base 22? This goes along with a few things I've observed: * Lojban seems designed for base 16, having the digits 0-9 _and_ A-F in single-syllable words - so perhaps a native of Lojbanistan would naturally count in base 16 * There are gismu for various powers of 10, but none for powers of 16 * There are incidentally 3 words for "ten" in Lojban - pano, dau, dekto * In any language, it's difficult to describe bases using numbers, because all bases are 10 when you're actually using them (English has words like 'decimal' and 'hexadecimal' which counter this) I'm not suggesting that we all start talking in hexadecimal. Far from it. However, it seems that Lojban gives the appearance of supporting communication using various number bases, but doesn't go all the way. * Is there a way to specify what base you're using outside of a mekso? ju'u seems to be only allowed immediately after a number. * If a different base was established, would the meanings of dekto, xecto, decti, etc. change? * Could lujvo be used to describe a base? {dekcmu} seems appropriate for base 10. Would {pavyxavycmu} mean hexadecimal? If the meaning of {dekto} or the default base were changed, what would those mean? Note: I don't find this stuff nearly as important as a conclusion to issues involving parts of the language people might actually _use_, such as how to specify the subjunctive. But it's still something I'm wondering about. -- Rob Speer