From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Wed May 30 14:58:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 30 May 2001 21:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2485 invoked from network); 30 May 2001 21:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 May 2001 21:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 May 2001 21:58:55 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id f4ULwsN00696 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 15:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:58:54 -0600 (MDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Not a troll, just a silly post [Was Re: Enemy & Re: No number base] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jay Kominek On Wed, 30 May 2001, Craig wrote: > > It's official... this dumb phrase has now been mentioned on every single > > mailing list I'm on. > > Really? I'm on several, and this is the first place. But, have you had them > all mention "Somebody set up us the bomb" yet? That one's harder to > Lojbanize, since there's no equivalent of 'set up' on my copies of the lists > of gismu and lujvo. I looked for set up, install, and establish. Sounds like > we need a new lujvo, huh? I mean, that's not the only place where we need > something like that. That usage of "set up" isn't the same as "setup" as regards software, or equipment, etc. This is {tcica bredi}, whereas the setup you do to your software is just {bredi}. The two phrases are broken English. You cannot convey the same meaning in grammatical Lojban, because the nongrammaticity of the English is the whole point. I mean, you are laughing at the poor Japanese->English translator who produced the sentence, right? (I don't see anything else funny about the sentences.) - Jay Kominek Waiting Is.