From pycyn@aol.com Thu May 31 18:21:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 01:21:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 59913 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.bb.efb8dd3 (3757) for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 21:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:21:29 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Request for grammar clarifications To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.efb8dd3.28484819_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_bb.efb8dd3.28484819_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/2001 6:18:03 PM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes: > We seem to treat "du" specially. For > example "lo du be ko'a" sounds a bit weird, and du is almost never > It is special: it is part of the logic, not part of the content. {lo du be ko'a} is weird because prolix; it just means {ko'a}. {du} doesn't get used in lujvo and tanru much for the same reason, it tends to drop out. Presumably there is {nardu'o} "is numerically different from" and some technical terms in mathematics ("identity relation" and the like). But even that is more than most gismu have so far (ignoring sel- and ter- forms). --part1_bb.efb8dd3.28484819_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/2001 6:18:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
araizen@newmail.net writes:


We seem to treat "du" specially. For
example "lo du be ko'a" sounds a bit weird, and du is almost never
used in tanru and lujvo.

It is special: it is part of the logic, not part of the content.  {lo du be
ko'a} is weird because prolix; it just means {ko'a}.  {du} doesn't get used
in lujvo and tanru much for the same reason, it tends to drop out.  
Presumably there is {nardu'o} "is numerically different from" and some
technical terms in mathematics ("identity relation" and the like).  But even
that is more than most gismu have so far (ignoring sel- and ter- forms).
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