From pycyn@aol.com Mon Jun 04 06:19:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 4 Jun 2001 13:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 52715 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2001 13:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2001 13:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2001 13:19:26 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.8f.b6c1507 (26118) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f.b6c1507.284ce4d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:19:16 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] More Alice To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.b6c1507.284ce4d4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_8f.b6c1507.284ce4d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/3/2001 9:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > Solemn "Often-Laugher" is actually not bad at all, since it fits > well with the cyclothymic nature of the Mock Turtle, and also the > "Laughing and Grief" taught by the Classical master. >=20 Yes, getting better. How is "Laughing and Grief" going by the way. <>Is it time for another round on what Lojban poetry will be like, given th= at >neither rhyme nor rhythm are likely to play major roles?=A0 In any case, a >dance would be a bad candidate for an early contribution. Why? I don't understand the defeatism.> What defeatism? Defeatism assumes that nothing will work. I want to see=20 some successes and that comes about by starting with things that can work,= =20 rather than (the Loglan/Lojban habit) "impossible" projects. No one will b= e=20 happier than I if one of those "impossible" projects comes off, but the dec= k=20 is tacked against it, and the price of chosing those as targets is losing=20 people out of frustrration or disgust. Dances are bad choices because they= ,=20 unlike Lojban, have very tightly controlled rhythmic patterns. We can=20 reporduce those patterns in Lojban but often at the cost of sense or even=20 grammaticality. Eventually, we will work out a way of doing some of these=20 thing, but we haven't yet. Do try, but don't complain if we point out that= =20 you haven't made it. The Quadrille has four bars to the line, each bar fou= r=20 beats with the stress on the last beat. The chorus is slightly different,= =20 three iambs and a dactyl. --part1_8f.b6c1507.284ce4d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/3/2001 9:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,=20
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Solemn "Often-Laugher" is= actually not bad at all, since it fits
well with the cyclothymic nature of the Mock Turtle, and also the
"Laughing and Grief" taught by the Classical master.


Yes, getting better.  How is "Laughing and Grief" going by the way= .

<>Is it time for another round on what Lojban poetry will be like= , given that
>neither rhyme nor rhythm are likely to play major roles?=A0 In any = case, a
>dance would be a bad candidate for an early contribution.

Why? I don't understand the defeatism.>

What defeatism?  Defeatism assumes  that nothing will work. I= want to see=20
some successes and that comes about by starting with things that can wo= rk,=20
rather than (the Loglan/Lojban habit) "impossible" projects.  No o= ne will be=20
happier than I if one of those "impossible" projects comes off, but the= deck=20
is tacked against it, and the price of chosing those as targets is losi= ng=20
people out of frustrration or disgust.  Dances are bad choices bec= ause they,=20
unlike Lojban, have very tightly controlled rhythmic patterns.  We= can=20
reporduce those patterns in Lojban but often at the cost of sense or ev= en=20
grammaticality. Eventually, we will work out a way of doing some of the= se=20
thing, but we haven't yet.  Do try, but don't complain if we point= out that=20
you haven't made it.  The Quadrille has four bars to the line, eac= h bar four=20
beats with the stress on the last beat.  The chorus is slightly di= fferent,=20
three iambs and a dactyl.
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