From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Jun 05 17:20:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 6 Jun 2001 00:20:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 78783 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Jun 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.159) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:20:23 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.34 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:20:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.34] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] sei Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:20:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2001 00:20:23.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A61E740:01C0EE1E] From: "Jorge Llambias" > > How does that work? Shouldn't "la alis te preti" be outside the > > lu...li'u? > >I was going to ask that myself. The style of dialogue used in Alice seems >to >involve "sei", which appears to be used to back out of a quotation >temporarily. {sei [term ...] selbri /se'u/} is not part of the quotation, right. >Another thing I can't figure out is where the effect of {sei} ends. At the selbri. >`Ahem!' said the Mouse with an important air, `are you all ready? >i lu ta'a sei la smacu cu vajni simlu cusku xu ro do bredi > >How can you tell that 'cusku' is outside of the quote while 'xu' is in it? The selbri ends the sei. I'm not sure whether {xu} will be attached to {cusku} or whether it is at the same level as the whole sei- construction. A sei-thing has the grammar of an attitudinal. >Does the Book describe using {sei} like this? It seems that it doesn't go into details... But I swear I didn't make it up! mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.