From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Jun 05 22:52:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 6 Jun 2001 05:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 98507 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 05:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2001 05:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 05:52:28 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (142.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.142]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f565qRe92327 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010606015233.00b93a60@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:58:19 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] sei In-Reply-To: <20010605181758.B940@twcny.rr.com> References: <20010605142934.E7842@digitalkingdom.org> <20010605142934.E7842@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 06:17 PM 06/05/2001 -0400, Rob Speer wrote: >A style of dialogue I've seen in other parts of Alice (I know stylistic issues >are supposed to wait until the end, but this is a huge difference) does the >obvious thing and uses lu...li'u as the x2 of {cusku} or the x1 of {preti} or >something of the sort. If the text needs to be interrupted in the middle, it >uses {fa} to return to the place containing the quote. > >`What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!' >lu ma smuni di'u li'u se cusku .o'onairu'edai ga'idai le ciftoldi fa lu >ko ko ciksi li'u This approach works only because of the peculiarities of dai, which in turn are confined to attitudinal notes. There is an example in Saki's _The Open Window_ which is when we first introduced sei, where the metalinguistic comment in the middle of the quote is more than merely an indication of attitude - such as modifying the above to be >`What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar, pointing at Alice >sternly, while pacing the floor. `Explain yourself!' sei is limited only by what you can express in a selbri (and using connectives and be/bei, that is quite a lot). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org