From pycyn@aol.com Wed Jun 06 13:17:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 6 Jun 2001 20:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 17129 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 20:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2001 20:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 20:17:09 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.cd.778f3c5 (4530) for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:16:51 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: Rabbity Sand-Laugher To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.778f3c5.284fe9b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_cd.778f3c5.284fe9b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/6/2001 2:17:56 PM Central Daylight Time, xod@sixgirls.org writes: > > By the way, there's some strong evidence that the reason that children > > are better at learning languages is their willingness to make mistakes. > > > .ie ja'o le maltcaci be le zu'o lizburna gunta le srera be'o ca'a zunti le > zu'o nalcertu je naldarsi jbocilre .i pa'e la pycyn. zukte dada'o poi > xlali le jbotadni .e le lojbo kambanro .i .e'unaicai The trick works, of course, because, when a student makes a mistake, he is corrected and when he does not he is praised. Thus, the teaching gets focused on the parts that need work, not spread over the whole territory. If the student were treated the same whether right or wrong, he would never learn it at all or learn it very badly. This latter approach is probably the inexpert and undeveloped Lojban learning that xod thinks I am interfering with. I hope I am; some nice expert and developed learning seems needed. As for the embarassment of being shown wrong, I am sorry about that -- though I can't recall xod ever admitting he was wrong or being obviously embarassed. I will try to be nicer in the future (but that "Kick Me" sign is an awful temptation). --part1_cd.778f3c5.284fe9b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/6/2001 2:17:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:


> By the way, there's some strong evidence that the reason that children
> are better at learning languages is their willingness to make mistakes.


.ie ja'o le maltcaci be le zu'o lizburna gunta le srera be'o ca'a zunti le
zu'o nalcertu je naldarsi jbocilre .i pa'e la pycyn. zukte dada'o poi
xlali le jbotadni .e le lojbo kambanro .i .e'unaicai


The trick works, of course, because, when a student makes a mistake, he is
corrected and when he does not he is praised.  Thus, the teaching gets
focused on the parts that need work, not spread over the whole territory.  If
the student were treated the same whether right or wrong, he would never
learn it at all or learn it very badly.  This latter approach is probably the
inexpert and undeveloped Lojban learning that xod thinks I am interfering
with.  I hope I am; some nice expert and developed learning seems needed.  As
for the embarassment of being shown wrong, I am sorry about that -- though I
can't recall xod ever admitting he was wrong or being obviously embarassed.  
I will try to be nicer in the future (but that "Kick Me" sign is an awful
temptation).

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