From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 08 16:00:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 91386 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.187) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:00:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:00:01 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.73 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:00:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.73] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinals Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:00:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2001 23:00:01.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF877BD0:01C0F06E] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >The start of this page, covering only assurances and evidentials, is up at > >HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/pycyn/attitudinal.html">http://hometown.aol.com/pycyn/attitudinal.html > >Comments sought. Maybe tersku "I am told" is better than tirna for ti'e. Can tirna really be used with du'u in that sense? If so, this would be an example where the distinction nu/du'u changes the meaning of the selbri. Maybe jijnu for se'o? If ca'e is for performatives, like the book suggests, then gasnu would be appropriate, I think: i ko'a cusku lu ca'e do doi djan speni do doi meris li'u i ko'a gasnu le nu la djan speni la meris i ko'a spenygau la djan la meris Is that what ca'e means? If so, it should be glossed better. jalge is not very informative for ja'o. We need something that means "x1 concludes that x2 is true (based on evidence x3)". jalge is not like that. Maybe something with jdice? cmujdi? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.