From cowan@ccil.org Fri Jun 08 17:33:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 86231 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 158WhF-0001y4-00; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals In-Reply-To: from Jorge Llambias at "Jun 9, 2001 00:19:14 am" To: Jorge Llambias Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Jorge Llambias scripsit: > But that in no way means that I can remove the attitudinals from > a bridi and that what is left is something that I am asserting. > Sometimes this is how it works, sometimes it isn't. Very true. > But in {a'o la djan pu klama le zarci} I am not claiming > that John went to the market. I can't hope for something that > I know is true, {a'o} requires that I don't know that the statement > is true, and also that I don't know it to be false either. That is the "propositional attitude" sense of "a'o". But it too has a "pure emotion sense" as well: "a'o mi cevni le du'u la cevni cu zasti" probably does not mean "I hope that I believe that God exists", but rather "I believe that God exists (which gives me hope)." -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter