From cowan@ccil.org Fri Jun 08 18:14:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 01:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 24742 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 158XKH-0002Ek-00; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:14:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals In-Reply-To: from Jorge Llambias at "Jun 9, 2001 00:54:33 am" To: Jorge Llambias Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Jorge Llambias scripsit: > > la djan cusku di'e > > >That is the "propositional attitude" sense of "a'o". But it too > >has a "pure emotion sense" as well: "a'o mi cevni le du'u > krici > > >la cevni cu zasti" probably does not mean "I hope that I believe > >that God exists", > > That's what I would understand from it. > > >but rather "I believe that God exists > >(which gives me hope)." > > If {a'o} can indeed have these two meanings then it is hopelessly > ambiguous. {a'o le truralju cu stace} "I hope the president is > honest", or "the president is honest, which gives me hope". Just so. As lojbab says, attitudinals express attitudes and emotions directly. They may or may not have propositional implications in particular cases. "Attitudinals are the aspect of Lojban furthest from the 'logical language' part." -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter