From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Jun 08 19:31:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 02:31:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13564 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 02:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 02:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 02:31:11 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic223.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.223]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f592V9460810 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010608222923.00cb85d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:37:07 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:38 AM 06/09/2001 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la lojbab cusku di'e > >All we know is that the speaker feels hope when > >confronted with the proposition of the president being honest. > >{a'o} can't mean both "hope for" and "hope from". Just because >English uses one word for both concepts is not a reason to give >both meanings to the Lojban word. It means neither - it means simply "hope", an emotional state that the speaker is displaying by expressing the word. I suspect that "hope from" applies but am not sure exactly what that entails. Certainly some chunk of language or that which the language represents is associated with our feeling the emotion of hope, but the connection is contextually determined. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org