From pycyn@aol.com Sat Jun 09 08:03:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 15:03:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22870 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.76.b7ee250 (4316) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76.b7ee250.285394ab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:03:07 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.b7ee250.285394ab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_76.b7ee250.285394ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank you all for starting the writing of my next section on attitudinals. I know I should have started with the "other-worldlies" to get them out of the way so that the rest would better fall under the generalizations I start with, but I wasa in the midst of the discussion about the cognitives and so it was easier to just carry that on and over. I am less thankful for the "new" problem that you ahve presented about the response use of some of the "other-worldlies." Apparently it, not some of the cases that I imagined as being left over from English, was the ambiguity Lojbab and djan mentioned earlier. I have to admit that I had never considered these cases and can't think of good English examples to guide me -- the lines always seem causal and assertive, not emotive (and so to suggest, for example, a distinction between {pacna le du'u} and {pacna le nu} -- though I am not sure which one is which). I dislike using the preceived truth or lack of the preoposition to disambiguate, since it will disambiugate differnetly then for different people, though I assume it is the speaker's view that strictly determines which is meant. --part1_76.b7ee250.285394ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank you all for starting the writing of my next section on
attitudinals.  I know I should have started with the "other-worldlies"  to
get them out of the way so that the rest would better fall under the
generalizations I start with, but I wasa in the midst of the discussion about
the cognitives and so it was easier to just carry that on and over.
I am less thankful for the "new" problem that you ahve presented about the
response use of some of the "other-worldlies."  Apparently it, not some of
the cases that I imagined as being left over from English, was the ambiguity
Lojbab and djan mentioned earlier.  I have to admit that I had never
considered these cases and can't think of good English examples to guide me
-- the lines always seem causal and assertive, not emotive (and so to
suggest, for example, a distinction between {pacna le du'u} and {pacna le nu}
-- though I am not sure which one is which).  
I dislike using the preceived truth or lack of the preoposition to
disambiguate, since it will disambiugate differnetly then for different
people, though I assume it is the speaker's view that strictly determines
which is meant.
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