From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Jun 10 19:42:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 02:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 73853 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 02:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 02:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 02:42:36 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (169.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.169]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5B2gY660644 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610223912.00aefef0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:48:03 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] The new approach to attitudinals In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 10:21 PM 06/10/2001 -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: >Without .a'o the sentence is an assertion about reality. With .a'o, under >the new proposal, the sentence is an assertion about the speaker's hopes. >That is what he is calling a change in the truth value, I believe. I don't think that a sentence should ever be "about" the attitude expressed by an attached attitudinal. A sentence is always "about" the bridi in some way, and the attitudinal is in someway expressing the speaker's attitude concerning the bridi. If you want to talk about the attitude, use cinmo or a selbri word pertaining directly to the attitude. a'o and other attitudes may change the pragmatics so that we interpret the tense/aspect on an untensed bridi differently. In the case of a'o in potential-world situations, it tends to suggest the potential-but-not-actual (nu'o) aspect, whereas some of the other attitudinals suggest a can-and-has (pu'i) aspect. Don't spoil the attitudinals by making them the focus of the sentence. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org