From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 12 08:22:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 15:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 67352 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 15:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 15:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.168) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 15:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f5CFJLA29178 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.101]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:19:21 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 159puF-0000hV-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:16:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:16:35 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Message-ID: <20010612111635.A2684@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:39:27AM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/11/2001 9:47:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > rob@twcny.rr.com writes: > > > > to botpi si velvelzilbotpi toi > > > ki'A. Having erased {botpi} we are left with a predicate whose first > argument is the fourth place of an argument whose fourth place has been > deleted and which did not have a fifth place to move up. So what was the > intended message? Yuck. That's right. I wanted to talk about a Klein bottle and started saying {lo la klain. botpi}, but then I realized that a Klein bottle is not a botpi since it can never have a cap. So I used one of the place-switching-around methods in the Book's lujvo chapter, assuming it would work the same way for zi'o. I now see that because zi'o actually eradicates the place it is not necessary to switch it back, so it is simply a {zilvelbotpi}. -- Rob Speer