From bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM Tue Jun 12 16:21:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bob@rattlesnake.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 23:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 50102 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 23:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 23:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (140.186.114.245) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 23:16:27 -0000 Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:16:22 +0000 (UTC) To: ragnarok@pobox.com Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: (ragnarok@pobox.com) Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Reply-to: bob@rattlesnake.com References: From: "Robert J. Chassell" So why don't we just change the meaning of 'botpi' so that it only has three places and none for a cap? Because an indented volume with a cap is not the same as an indented volume without a cap. The one, the `cave with a door', is a `botpi'; the other, the `natural cave', is a `kevna'. `botpi' does not simpley mean bottle, it means any closable container, including a cave. The word can mean the `mouth of a man' or a well. Here are the distinctions, from the gismu list: x1 is a bottle/jar/urn/flask/closable container for x2, made of material x3 with lid x4 /:/ /=/ botpi (bot bo'i) x1 is a cavity/hole/hollow/cavern in x2; x1 is con-cave within x2; x2 is hollow at locus x1 /:/ [also pit, depression, concaveity; hollow (= selke'a)] /=/ kevna (kev ke'a) -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com