From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 12 17:43:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 00:43:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 64920 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 00:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 00:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 00:36:48 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 159yeI-00054b-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:36:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:36:42 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals Message-ID: <20010612173642.E14438@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i From: Robin Lee Powell On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:18:39PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 06:08:03PM -0500, Richard Todd wrote: > > > Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > > >With a suffix, there's still context involved, but at least you know up > > > > >front whether the speaker is asserting a true statement. This could go > > > > >a long way towards clarity. > > > > > > > > Yes, but suffixes are expensive in terms of usability. I don't want > > > > to have to use an affix every time I use an attitudinal, it takes > > > > away the best thing that attitudinals have going for them: their > > > > very compact form for the great amount of meaning that they add. > > > > > > I'd exchange an extra syllable for clarity any day. > > > > Anywhere else in the language, I'd agree. But not here. > > > > If you want total clarity, use the gismu equivalents of the > > attitudinals. > > Do they all have exact gismu equivalents? Depends on your definition of 'exact', but thus far I've seen no real exceptions. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/