From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 12 20:41:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 03:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 72635 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 03:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 03:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.166) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 03:41:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0 [24.92.226.74]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f5D3e3806572 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.101]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:40:03 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15A1T5-0001Gr-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:37:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:37:19 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals Message-ID: <20010612233719.B4744@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <3B26CDD8.5265FA7@flash.net> <20010612203249.H14438@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010612203249.H14438@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:32:49PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > ...or we can just learn that > > > > "Beginning of sentence" = world-building/no assertion/whatever you call > > it > > > > "anywhere else" = assertion of truth. > > > > Its appeal is that it is so straightforward. It doesn't try to cover > > all the known uses, but I don't see it as less expressive. I cannot say > > so for sure because I can't express much of anything in lojban as of > > yet. > > That's actually exactly (one of) my proposal. > > It breaks normal usage of xu, though. Does it? xu changes the assertion at the beginning of the sentence, just as the rule says. I've never seen xu used anywhere else. -- Rob Speer