From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 12 20:45:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 03:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 336 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 03:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 03:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 03:45:36 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15A1b5-0006C2-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:45:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:45:35 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals Message-ID: <20010612204535.L14438@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <3B26CDD8.5265FA7@flash.net> <20010612203249.H14438@digitalkingdom.org> <20010612233719.B4744@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010612233719.B4744@twcny.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i From: Robin Lee Powell On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 11:37:19PM -0400, Rob Speer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:32:49PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > ...or we can just learn that > > > > > > "Beginning of sentence" = world-building/no assertion/whatever you > > > call it > > > > > > "anywhere else" = assertion of truth. > > > > > > Its appeal is that it is so straightforward. It doesn't try to > > > cover all the known uses, but I don't see it as less expressive. > > > I cannot say so for sure because I can't express much of anything > > > in lojban as of yet. > > > > That's actually exactly (one of) my proposal. > > > > It breaks normal usage of xu, though. > > Does it? xu changes the assertion at the beginning of the sentence, > just as the rule says. I've never seen xu used anywhere else. Oh. I misunderstood your proposal. OK, so it only fucks up .ui. 8) And it's not equivalent to mine, because it doesn't allow: do .a'u klama le zarci to be I hope *you* go to the store. Hmmm... It is simple, but I like mine better. 8) -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/