From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Jun 13 14:01:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 21:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7867 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 20:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 20:57:52 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (193.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.193]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5DKvo630319; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613165929.00d295c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:03:08 -0400 To: ragnarok@pobox.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:01 PM 06/13/2001 -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > > Because an indented volume with a cap is not the same as an indented > > volume without a cap. The one, the `cave with a door', is a `botpi'; > > the other, the `natural cave', is a `kevna'. > > Then isn't the bottle by the side of the road a kevna, making this whole > discussion of it and whether botpi fo noda is a botpi irrelevant since we > can just call it a kevna? > >You could call it a kevna. Or you could use a mechanism mentioned in >the discussion to indicate that it could have a cap and use the word >botpi. I want to note that, in addition to kevna. If you want to focus on its container nature rather than its hollowness, and not claim a cap/stopper, then there are also vasru and patxu. In Lojban, most things that we would call bottles in English are both of these. Just like people should not focus on the keyword "bottle" as being an exact translation of botpi, patxu is not necessarily limited to things we call "pots". lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org