From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Jun 13 20:45:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 03:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 65441 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5E3jaL11768 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:45:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Attitudinals again (was: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la xod cusku di'e > > > Certainly it is bad to assume that {.ui ko'a klama} means the same as > > > {mi gleki lenu ko'a klama}. > > > >Everybody's agreeing on this, but nobody has explained why to my > >satisfaction. > > The first one asserts that ko'a goes. The second one asserts that > you are happy about ko'a going. Those are two different assertions. ko'a goes, and that makes me happy I am happy because ko'a goes > > In the first one you are displaying your feeling of happiness > about ko'a going. In the second one you are not necessarily > displaying any feeling at all. You displayed it through the use of "gleki". > They are clearly different assertions. I'm not sure why this is > such a big deal though. As far as I can tell, both are appropriate > in approximately the same circumstances. That does not mean > they have the same meaning. A difference is only a difference if it makes a difference. I see there is a difference in the character string. Is there a difference in meaning? ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!