From pycyn@aol.com Thu Jun 14 15:23:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 22:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50403 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 22:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 22:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.a0.15e0a9d4 (18252) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:26 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinals again (was: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.15e0a9d4.285a935e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_a0.15e0a9d4.285a935e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2001 2:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, lojbab@lojban.org writes: > There is a difference in pragmatics. If someone claims to be happy, and > does not display happiness, I react with doubt. > > There is also a difference in truth-functionality that can affect things in > a context. For example, if the following sentence started with .ijanai, > all of a sudden there is no assertion at all, and the conditional depends > on whether I am happy rather than whether ko'a is going. > What?! I assume we are still starting with something like {ui ko'a klama} and now we add something beginning {ijanai} , 'if.' So, {ko'a klama} is not longer asserted. But the conditional depend, both for its truth and its pragmatics, on his coming, not on my happiness. It is not clear whether my happiness is now conditional a well, but it certainly is not asserted, even conditionally. --part1_a0.15e0a9d4.285a935e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2001 2:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
lojbab@lojban.org writes:


There is a difference in pragmatics.  If someone claims to be happy, and
does not display happiness, I react with doubt.

There is also a difference in truth-functionality that can affect things in
a context.  For example, if the following sentence started with .ijanai,
all of a sudden there is no assertion at all, and the conditional depends
on whether I am happy rather than whether ko'a is going.


What?!  I assume we are still starting with something like {ui ko'a klama}
and now we add something beginning {ijanai} , 'if.'  So, {ko'a klama} is not
longer asserted.  But the conditional depend, both for its truth and its
pragmatics, on his coming, not on my happiness.  It is not clear whether my
happiness is now conditional a well, but it certainly is not asserted, even
conditionally. --part1_a0.15e0a9d4.285a935e_boundary--