From pycyn@aol.com Thu Jun 14 15:23:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 22:23:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 87256 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 22:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 22:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.f8.b61cf55 (18252) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:29 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinals To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.b61cf55.285a9361_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_f8.b61cf55.285a9361_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/14/2001 12:46:20 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > and all the rest of the useful critters an ordinary word processor > > provides?=20=20 >=20 > Because you're not talking about an ordinary word processor, you're > talking about proprietary bullshit. >=20 Hey, an "ordinary word processor" is a word processor ordinary people=20 ordinarily use, which amounts MSWord. It does what ordinary people want it= =20 to do with a minimal amount of fuss (most of the time -- with glaring=20 exceptions, of course). If HTML (which is inherently wrongheaded for=20 ordinary people and will presumably clean up its act like every other mark-= up=20 language has -- or they died) is meant to be used by oridnary people, not=20 merely initiates, then if will learn to do these things too -- and soon. I= t=20 is half-way there: they can be done; it needs to go the rest of the way: in= =20 one or two key-strokes to show on the page and not need memorizing a table. One keystroke to set in a fixed number of   Quotes are what they do. ASCII 34 is a double apostrophe, usable for quote= s,=20 if need be, also for seconds and Lord knows what else. ldquo and rdquo=20 (8220, 8221) are specifically quotes -- not seconds, etc. and are clearly=20 acceptable for printed work, as 34 barely is. --part1_f8.b61cf55.285a9361_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/14/2001 12:46:20 AM Central Daylight Time,=20
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org writes:


> and all the rest of = the useful critters an ordinary word processor
> provides?  

Because you're not talking about an ordinary word processor, you're
talking about proprietary bullshit.


Hey, an "ordinary word processor" is a word processor ordinary people=20
ordinarily use, which amounts MSWord.  It does what ordinary peopl= e want it=20
to do with a minimal amount of fuss (most of the time -- with glaring=20
exceptions, of course).  If HTML (which is inherently wrongheaded = for=20
ordinary people and will presumably clean up its act like every other m= ark-up=20
language has -- or they died) is meant to be used by oridnary people, n= ot=20
merely initiates, then if will learn to do these things too -- and soon= .  It=20
is half-way there: they can be done; it needs to go the rest of the way= : in=20
one or two key-strokes to show on the page and not need memorizing a ta= ble.

<Are you clear on the concept of 7-bit ASCII?=A0 If not, I suggest y= ou
remove yourself from this argument.

-Robin, who's been on the 'net since Gopher was king and is sick of you
whiny M$ lusers.=A0 He's also in a bad mood.
Yep! And I am also clear that it is about as relevant to the present=20
situation as the body odor of a Tyranosaurus.
I'm not whining, just reminding all you "Let's get more people into Loj= ban"=20
types what those more people require.  
pc, who was formatting printing in Fortran 1 when Kennedy was President= .

<A one character tab!=A0 What the hell are you talking about?>
One keystroke to set in a fixed number of &nbsp;

<Because they're not quotes!!

The quotes is ".=A0 ASCII 34.=A0 Smart quotes are neither smart (they d= o
amazingly strange things if you have more than 2 of them in a sentence)
nor quotes (they're ASCII 0240 or something like that).>

Quotes are what they do.  ASCII 34 is a double apostrophe, usable = for quotes,=20
if need be, also for seconds and Lord knows what else.  ldquo and = rdquo=20
(8220, 8221) are specifically quotes -- not seconds, etc. and are clear= ly=20
acceptable for printed work, as 34 barely is.

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